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Grauth Thorner
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:26:40 -
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Not really sure what PC's cost in Amerika, but like others said, the amount of instances of EVE you are running at the same time can determine how many cores you want on your CPU. An i5 2.00+ GHz, between 4 and 16GB of DDR3 RAM and something like a GeForce GTX 660+ should be able to run at least 2 instances at max settings. I am no fan of on-board GPU's. Depending on what you can actually get for the $ 500 you mentioned, and wether the monitor should be included in this price, you might want to lower the RAM and/or the GPU. In case you got some money left, try to find a CPU with more GHz.
Getting an i7 instead of an i5 or instead of a quadcore AMD is probably not within your budget, but it's not advised either unless you run at least 5 instances of the game (and possibly even more) at once. Otherwise i5 has better performance compared to an i7 with the same amount of GHz.
Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler app:
>EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2014.12.19 17:44:31 -
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Paul Panala wrote:Grauth Thorner wrote:Otherwise i5 has better performance compared to an i7 with the same amount of GHz. That may be true on some applications that have been poorly optimized for multi-threaded operating. Also, there is a tiny amount of overhead used in managing the other cores, but something crazy small. The i7 has more cache than an i5, so it should actually run better than the same GHz i5, assuming only 2 cores are in use. Now, if a given game/application tries to use all 4 cores and results in poorer performance than if it had only used 2, that is the programmer's fault, not the processor's. The statement is based on some articles I've read and benchmark tests of about 2-3 years ago. The problem had to do with checking wether it needs to hyperthread, starting the hyperthreading and stopping the hyperthreading, which is something the i5 doesn't have to do (as long as it has 4 cores and not 2).
For rather new games and games in the future, i7 will mostly be better because using 8 threads is becoming the new standard for games. No idea how many threads EVE is running simultaneaosly though, but according to Ralph King-Griffin:
Quote:It's also worth mentioning that multiple core cpu's Don't offer much of an advantage because the way eve is coded prevents it from making use of more than one core although he also states in his post that he's frequently wrong 
Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler app:
>EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread
>iciclesoft.com
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2014.12.19 19:02:52 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Grauth Thorner wrote:8 threads is becoming the new standard for games. Since when? I play a lot of games and buy a lot of new releases. I haven't seen any games that require an 8 core CPU. I've seen many games that have stability issues with 8 core CPUs though. Pretty much since the next-gen consoles use 8 cores. Games using 8 threads doesn't mean that your PC needs to be able to run 8 threads at the same time though.
Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler app:
>EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread
>iciclesoft.com
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2014.12.20 12:53:57 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Grauth Thorner wrote:next-gen consoles ????? You know, like PS4 and Xbox One. If devs develop a game for one of these platforms, they usually use the same amount of threads on the PC version to make it easier to maintain the game.
Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler app:
>EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread
>iciclesoft.com
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2014.12.20 14:59:59 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:... It's not CPU that matters as much as RAM and graphics when you're gaming... And yet you only have 2x 4GB CL10 RAM :o Time to replace these with 4x 4GB CL9 ones
Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler app:
>EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread
>iciclesoft.com
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2014.12.20 16:00:33 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Grauth Thorner wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:... It's not CPU that matters as much as RAM and graphics when you're gaming... And yet you only have 2x 4GB CL10 RAM :o Time to replace these with 4x 4GB CL9 ones Why would I do that if what I have works just fine? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Fixing != replacing.. Otherwise I would still be walking around with my Nokia 3210. I just think it's rather strange that your setup doesn't reflect your statement. Next to that I also don't think it's smart using an i3 for running 3 or 4 instances of the game simultaneously (talking about the OP here, not you).
Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler app:
>EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread
>iciclesoft.com
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2014.12.20 16:08:12 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Grauth Thorner wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:... It's not CPU that matters as much as RAM and graphics when you're gaming... And yet you only have 2x 4GB CL10 RAM :o Time to replace these with 4x 4GB CL9 ones Why would I do that if what I have works just fine? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Because next gen consoles are using 8 cores to run games 30fps @ 768 resolution omg... I think that's mainly because increasing resolution raises the bar exponentially when it comes to pressurizing the GPU. So instead they chose to create a whole different ambiance by including more particles and increasing texture quality, making the game feel more alive. There are however some games that run on 1080p on PS4 and/or Xbox One. Notice the 'I think' at the beginning of the post.
Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler app:
>EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread
>iciclesoft.com
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2014.12.20 16:29:30 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Grauth Thorner wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Grauth Thorner wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:... It's not CPU that matters as much as RAM and graphics when you're gaming... And yet you only have 2x 4GB CL10 RAM :o Time to replace these with 4x 4GB CL9 ones Why would I do that if what I have works just fine? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Fixing != replacing.. Otherwise I would still be walking around with my Nokia 3210. I just think it's rather strange that your setup doesn't reflect your statement. Next to that I also don't think it's smart using an i3 for running 3 or 4 instances of the game simultaneously (talking about the OP here, not you). Rationalise to me how "perfectly functional and does the job as intended if not better" translates, in your mind, to "needs to be replaced". Because I would genuinely love to hear that. I'm talking pre-bought. Forget the replace it now part, if I were in your shoes and valued RAM so much (which I actually do), I would've at least bought CL9 DDR3 instead of CL10 and preferably even 4 cards instead of 2 (which I actually have).
Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler app:
>EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread
>iciclesoft.com
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2014.12.20 17:34:10 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:It is not that simple. Fast CL10 ends up with less latency than a slower CL9.
for example:
CL9/2133 versus C10/2400
9 / (2133/2) = 8.4ns latency 10 / (2400/2) = 8.3ns latency
the 2400 has lower latency even though it is CL10 Learning something new every day. I thought the cas latency reflected the amount of MHz. In that case I would've gone for 1866MHz CL9 ones instead of the 1600MHz CL10 ones :p
Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler app:
>EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread
>iciclesoft.com
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2014.12.21 13:46:15 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:You didn't rationalise what I asked you to, you just went ahead and further conflated "RAM is more important than CPU for gaming" with "if...you valued RAM so much". I never told you how much I valued RAM, I expressed it's importance in relation to the CPU for gaming. You're clearly incapable of inhabiting my shoes if that's the kind of leap of logic you're going to make. RAM is important up until the point that you have enough, especially if you're on a budget. Why pay more for something you aren't going to use and/or don't need in order to get the same performance for something cheaper? You were saying RAM and GFX is more important than a CPU. And yet you show a 3.4GHz CPU (awesome!) and relatively slow RAM (poor) and a nice GFX (awesome for what it costs). This just doesn't add up to me. Sure it's a dual core CPU, but for single-boxing this is perfect for EVE. For the OP... Not so much. Regarding pay more for something you aren't going to use, how are you not going to enjoy faster responses from your RAM? Faster CAS or MHz doesn't mean that you all of a sudden need less or got more GB, it just means it communicates faster when data is stored/needed. Usually this can even be achieved by putting more time in your search to components, without paying more. And if you have to pay more, it's usually only a few dollar.
Remiel Pollard wrote: And Hasikan made the other point I was going to make but before I did, I wanted to understand why you seem to be of the opinion that I need something I don't actually need. It almost seemed obvious to me that the statement "my machine already performs better than I need it to" would be indicative of it not needing any replacements/upgrades. If you wanna throw money around for stuff they don't need, that's your prerogative, but too many people like yourself have it in their head that everyone has to have the latest 'stuff' just for the sake of having the latest stuff. It's dumb. The same types think they have to update everything all the time as well without even checking what the update is. My latest graphics card driver update does nothing for anything I use it for, so I haven't even bothered doing that.
Hasikan pointed out that CAS only doesn't mean it's actually faster, but that you also need to take the clockspeed in the calculations. His post had nothing to do with 'buying things you don't actually need'.
Remiel Pollard wrote: Anyway, at the end of the day, my RAM works great, I even have a little more than I need cuz I never seem to use it all, for anything. It even has heat-sinks on it to help keep temp down. They're bright orange and reflect all the cool flashy lights inside the sports-car-like case I got.
I'm glad you like your RAM and that you think it's pretty.
Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler app:
>EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread
>iciclesoft.com
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